Jump Magazines Discussion [V. 14]

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Earlier, I have posted the results from the poll that took place on MangaHelpers' WSJ thread (about which veteran authors the members of that forum would like to see in WSJ again). The poll is now closed and thanks to Toriko, here is the picture of the final results:


Which veteran mangaka would you like to see return with a new series:
  1. Tite Kubo (Bleach) 43 votes 41%
  2. Yusei Matsui (Neuro, Assassination Classroom) 25 votes 23.8%
  3. Naoshi Komi (Nisekoi, Double Arts) 11 votes 10.5%
  4. Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro (Toriko, Seikimatsu Leader den Takeshi) 9 votes 8.6%
  5. Shun Saeki (Shokugeki no Souma's artist) 7 votes 6.7%
  6. (Other) 6 votes 5.7%
  7. Ryuhei Tamura (Beelzebub) 4 votes 3.8%
I am not that surprised, only shows that haters are actually tsundere
 
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I am not that surprised, only shows that haters are actually tsundere
Hahaha definitely definitely. I think the thing with Bleach is that the fandom is absolutely fractured and for the majority of the manga series, we were comparing it to too many other series' without understanding the kind of writer Kubo was and the kind of story he was interested in drawing.

It immediately starts with the Anime community vs the Manga community. The anime community has obviously missed out on a TON of the storyline, while also being privy to a TON of filler that the Manga crowd did not. So right off the bat, when people think about Bleach they have two very different impressions of what Bleach actually IS (very few anime/manga have this problem IMO, where the source material vastly differs from the anime).

And second to that, I think most of us were focusing too much on Kubo playing the same sort of twists and storytelling that many of us had become accustomed to through other manga and mediums. In hindsight, Bleach has never, ever, been about storyline. There's been blips of good storytelling, but by and large, Bleach is basically about characters interacting and making those characters come alive. The plot is just some device to make those things happen.

I can vividly remember many of us clamoring for the missing plotpoints we had expected Kubo to write. Things about intricate flashbacks, or Soul King origins, or hidden agendas, or Hogyokou meaning something in the bigger picture, etc etc. When in fact, many of those things were simply plot devices. The Hogyokou and the Soul King were literally just plot devices to make the characters do certain things. It's as simply as that. And most of us were disappointed not only in the way many characters were underutilized, but in that our "fancanon" we had all predicted and built up and theorized turned out to be FAR more shallow than we expected. Hence, dashed hopes.

Don't get me wrong, much of our impression was also due to the time constraint of the way the final arc unfurled. There were MANY characters that did't get screen time they should have, characters that got off-paneled in unfulfilling ways, and characters that simply didn't get the "full reveal" treatment that others did.

In hindsight, I honestly think of the Blood War fondly, now that I know what it was. It was really just a chance for many characters to gain exposition, have some really cool and interesting battles, for some characters to grow in new ways, and to tell a type of story that hadn't been told yet in Bleach. That's it. And although I do lament that certain characters didn't get proper chances to have their moment (Shinji, Ukitake, Isshin, etc) I look at moments like Kenpachi's Bankai or Hitsugaya's Adult Bankai and think "damn I really like those".

Kinda rambling here, and probably not the right place to talk about it, but eh, it's activity :p
 
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Shounen Jump Issue 45 Color Pages:
Yakusoku no Neverland


Boku-tachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai


Summer Time Rendering (Special Chapter)


2.5 Jigen no Ririsa (Special Chapter)

 
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In hindsight, Bleach has never, ever, been about storyline. There's been blips of good storytelling, but by and large, Bleach is basically about characters interacting and making those characters come alive. The plot is just some device to make those things happen.
That's true. To me the most important thing for a battle shonen manga is its style, the world and its characters and their interactions. That said Bleach's story was pretty decent at times too.

That's why I don't really like the new generation of WSJ battle manga. MHA for example, I can see the author has a lot of talent and the story is good, but the world setting is the most boring one I have ever seen. The characters aside of All Might, Todoroki and Aizawa are boring as well. I get bored of the series if the story focuses on any character outside them(which is like (50%) of the time. I don't like the atmosphere/presentation at all.

On the other hand Black Clover does have all of these things but the story is too generic. I still like the series though. I would rate it on the same level as Hitman Reborn/D. Grayman.

I think I'm enjoying Kimetsu the most. Mostly thanks to Ufotable's adaptation. Every episode feels like watching a movie. I like how the series takes a different approach to the others. The world building as of now is plain and simple, but I think the author did it on purpose. The story is also pretty standard. A revenge story killing all the Espadas until you get to the boss fight. But it does its job haha.



I can vividly remember many of us clamoring for the missing plotpoints we had expected Kubo to write. Things about intricate flashbacks, or Soul King origins, or hidden agendas, or Hogyokou meaning something in the bigger picture, etc etc. When in fact, many of those things were simply plot devices. The Hogyokou and the Soul King were literally just plot devices to make the characters do certain things. It's as simply as that. And most of us were disappointed not only in the way many characters were underutilized, but in that our "fancanon" we had all predicted and built up and theorized turned out to be FAR more shallow than we expected. Hence, dashed hopes.

Don't get me wrong, much of our impression was also due to the time constraint of the way the final arc unfurled. There were MANY characters that did't get screen time they should have, characters that got off-paneled in unfulfilling ways, and characters that simply didn't get the "full reveal" treatment that others did.

In hindsight, I honestly think of the Blood War fondly, now that I know what it was. It was really just a chance for many characters to gain exposition, have some really cool and interesting battles, for some characters to grow in new ways, and to tell a type of story that hadn't been told yet in Bleach. That's it. And although I do lament that certain characters didn't get proper chances to have their moment (Shinji, Ukitake, Isshin, etc) I look at moments like Kenpachi's Bankai or Hitsugaya's Adult Bankai and think "damn I really like those".
I'm not even mad about that anymore. Now with novels and interviews we know that Kubo had planned most of these but couldn't because of his health. That being said I still liked the last arc a lot though. Would've loved to delve deeper into the history of the Quincies and Soul Society.
 
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As much as I also enjoy "cool" fights and powers, what makes a series attractive to me are the characters and world building with a rich background. A story can have amazing SFX, battles and fights of all kinds, if I don't find an emotional connection to the characters I will never become a fan of the story.

Bleach has what I want in a story. Yes, maybe this richness can also be a disadvantage but I believe that Bleach has so many levels and characters is also the reason for its success. With this variety, people have also different favourites. But that also means, Tite Kubo had to choose between what character will become a focus, which ones are supporting characters, which ones are only appearing in certain storylines or even just briefly. It is impossible to please everyone.

I am not giving up hope that Tite Kubo will fill in some more gaps. A possible return of the anime, more books, maybe even a manga one-shot or mini series, there are a lot of possibilities.
 
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Shounen Jump Issue 46:
Boku no Hero Academia (Cover, Lead CP)
Kimetsu no Yaiba
Haikyuu!!
Dr. Stone
Black Clover
Jujutsu Kaisen (CP)
Yozakura-san Chi no Dai Sakusen
Yakusoku no Neverland
Boku no Hero Academia Team-up Mission (CP, Special Chapter)
Boku-tachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai
Mitama Secu-Re-ty
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san
Jump Gag Matsuri! (One Shot)
Chainsaw-man
Act-Age
Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui
Samurai 8
Futari no Taisei
Beast Children
Tokyo Shinobi Squad

Shounen Jump Issue 47:
Cover, Lead CP: Chainsaw-man
CP: Act-Age, Spy×Family (Special Chapter)
2 Chapters: Mitama Secu-Re-ty
 
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This Week's Jump Comic Sales:

01. One Piece #94 (1,182,323)
02. Kimetsu no Yaiba #17 (368,502)
03. Yakusoku no Neverland #16 (218,380)
04. Spy×Family #2 (109,702)
05. Gotouge Koyoharu Collection of Short Stories (94,166)
06. Shokugeki no Souma #36 (91,290)
07. Black Clover #22 (89,103)
08. Jujutsu Kaisen #7 (88,157)
09. Boruto -Naruto Next Generations- #9 (65,934)
10. Kimetsu no Yaiba #16 (51,187 / 651,875)
11. Kimetsu no Yaiba #9 (49,070 / 647,280)
13. Kimetsu no Yaiba #1 (48,856 / 711,941)
14. Kimetsu no Yaiba #13 (48,793 / 629,002)
15. Kimetsu no Yaiba #12 (48,775 / 635,083)
16. Kimetsu no Yaiba #11 (48,737 / 643,646)
17. Kimetsu no Yaiba #8 (48,254 / 658,136)
18. Kimetsu no Yaiba #14 (47,857 / 613,626)
19. Kimetsu no Yaiba #2 (47,766 / 683,816)
20. Kimetsu no Yaiba #10 (46,449 / 641,156)
21. Kimetsu no Yaiba #15 (46,112 / 618,447)
22. Kimetsu no Yaiba #3 (45,099 / 667,626)
23. Kimetsu no Yaiba #7 (44,639 / 656,020)
24. Kimetsu no Yaiba #4 (42,670 / 653,947)
26. Kimetsu no Yaiba #5 (41,705 / 652,824)
28. Kimetsu no Yaiba #6 (40,059 / 659,085)
30. Chainsaw-man #4 (37,276)
35. Kono Oto Tomare! #21 (32,040)
37. Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san #18 (30,387)
44. Boku no Hero Academia Official Character Book Ultra Analysis #2 (24,687)
48. Spy×Family #1 (23,323 / 308,518)
 
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Young Jump Issue 45:
Good Job (Lead CP)
Kingdom
Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai
Aruma
Bungo
Shikabana (CP)
Kawaisounine, Genki-kun
Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu
Batuque
Snack Basue
Rifle is Beautiful (CP, Special Chapter)
Binbin Fukufuku Nazuna-sama!
Kanojo no Yasei ga Te ni Oenai
Maid in Hikkomuuuuse
Kaguya-sama wa Kataritai
Shape Shifter
Hidari-kiki no Eren (CP, Special Chapter)
Pochi Gokko。(End)

MoMo
Maku Musubi
Tiempo

Golden Kamuy, Shadows House, Libidors, Douji Gunkan, Shuttle Eyes, Shin Sakura Taisen the Comic (Absent)

Young Jump Issue 46:
Lead CP: Kawaisounine, Genki-kun
CP: Batuque, Libidors, Shuttle Eyes

 
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